Help Diagnosing a Porch Roof Leak

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Ivan,

Each reply needs to be approved by Eric or another admin before it is published to the website. I have gone ahead and published your posts, but the images appear to broken in the subsequent messages.

Please try re-uploading in a new comment.

Andy Locke, Web Admin

Andy Locke
2018-07-02 16:42:52.110067

Ivan,

Try updating the file names to include only one "."

For example: "filename.jpeg" instead of "file.name.jpeg"

That additional "." may be causing an issue.

Andy

Andy Locke
2018-07-02 16:55:34.198651

Ivan,

Are you posting via the website or are you replying to the email? (trying to troubleshoot the image issue)

Andy

Andy Locke
2018-07-02 17:08:41.754767

Ivan,

Please send the images you are unsuccessfully uploading to my direct email address: alocke@responselabs.com

I am going to attempt to troubleshoot the issue further with our developers.

Thank you,

Andy

Andy Locke
2018-07-02 17:29:57.867347

Testing the upload of "Side.jpeg" Side.jpeg

Andy Locke
2018-07-02 19:45:04.003935

Porch004.jpeg

Andy Locke
2018-07-02 19:46:03.326034

Posting the file "Porch004.jpeg" Porch004.jpeg

Andy Locke
2018-07-02 19:46:40.607075

Re-uploading "Side.jpeg" as a smaller file size (was originally 3.2MB)
Side_reslabs.jpg

Andy Locke
2018-07-02 19:49:31.675170

Counter flashing leak evidence Counter flashing leak evidence.jpg

Andy Locke
2018-07-02 19:52:46.774915

Wow. You probably know this but I am guessing the wood was put up there to deaden rain noise ... the metal roof is still carrying the water ... and perhaps even has penetrations into it from the wood.

Todd Miller
2018-07-02 23:37:24.651139

Picture from the outside please. Some that indicates pitch too please.

Eric Novotny
2018-07-02 16:21:09.031522

Can you go further back? I am wondering what the flashing detail and roof side look like.

Eric Novotny
2018-07-02 16:28:01.938890

There appears, based on the rust, to be some degradation of the metal and the wall to roof connection. This would indicate to me that it is leaking at the counter flashing detail and then streaming down the panel.

Eric Novotny
2018-07-02 17:24:38.730630

Test.

Counter flashing leak evidence.jpg

Eric Novotny
2018-07-02 19:57:55.628673

Ivan,

I need to see the top side of the roof where it connects to the home and I am not 100% certain that this is the issue, but it is a starting point.

Eric Novotny
2018-07-02 20:51:12.484978

Not really. As far as the panel, it could be any number of manufacturers that either don't exist or make that panel.

These type of porch systems were quite local in nature in terms of fabrication and origination.

Eric Novotny
2018-07-02 20:58:40.217088

Is that window operable? I really need to see the roof to wall connection in this case.

Eric Novotny
2018-07-02 21:22:41.970471

That is a bit of a mess to be honest. The only way that can be accessed to be fixed is to remove that wood decking and expose the metal below. This is turning into more of a project.

Eric Novotny
2018-07-02 22:19:11.316041

I live in an older home that has an attached porch that I believe the previous owner installed himself. Someone suggested to me that may be a pre-fabricated porch in some sense, but I can’t be sure. The roof is made of metal and on top of the metal there is wood fencing. I have never seen fencing on a roof, but I imagine that the previous owner put it up there to decrease the noise and so that it would not get too hot. Even though I’ve never seen fencing on a porch roof, I’m really fine with it. Despite the fact that it is wood, the fencing on top of the roof does not appear to be rotting. Someone suggested to me that there could be debris between the wood and the metal that is causing a dam effect, but I have looked at there is no debris.

The metal roof seems to be made up of 21 panels about 5.5” by about 10 feet that are interlocked or overlapped. I know nothing about roofing, so I may be using the wrong terms. The 21 panels are attached to 6 metal cross supports. Those cross supports are, in turn, attached to 2 beams that run the length of the porch. I’m attaching photos.

During heavy rainstorms, at the bottom of the porch, there are bad leaks. The main leaks occur between the two pieces of blue tape, right where two of the panels overlap. The areas where there is green tape is gets wet to the touch, but I can’t tell where the water is coming from in those places.

These are my questions: from the pictures, could someone explain to me what I have, meaning, in metal roofing terms, what that kind of roof is called, or how it would be described? Is it called interlocking panels or what?

My funds are extremely limited so I really am not looking to replace the roof. I am assuming that the wood above the leak must be removed to address the issue (and I would seek to put the wood back in place afterwards). Short of replacing the metal roof, is there something that can be done to stop the leaks? Someone mentioned Dow Corning 795 Silicone Building Sealant to me. Could that be used? Is there some other sealant that could (or should) be used?

I appreciate any guidance that anyone can give. By the way, the uploading function is giving me problems so I may have to upload th images one by one.
Porch.001.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:20:04.250267

Porch.000.jpeg{"error":{"image":["Unsupported file format. Supported formats are jpeg, jpg, gif."]}}Porch.003.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:22:24.714422

Porch.007a.jpegPorch.006.jpeguploading Porch.002.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:26:50.354539

Porch.007a.jpeguploading Porch.006.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:28:14.688513

uploading Porch.007a.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:29:57.606181

I'm trying to upload what I have, but I'm having trouble. Unclear to me why. By the way, I don't know what flashing is.

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:31:36.478437

Porch.007a.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:35:46.211571

@enovotny@windowsonwashington.net said:
Can you go further back? I am wondering what the flashing detail and roof side look like.

I keep trying to respond and post more pics, but I can't see anything past this question that you ask (meaning, none of my responses or pics are appearing, and if you have responded to me again, I can't see it).

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:39:21.047236

Ok, thank you very much Andy. I'll try uploading again. I can't figure out why some upload just fine and others don't.

Porch.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:50:45.494351

Close-up.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:52:30.736964

Porch.005.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:56:21.271885

Side.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 16:59:44.241146

@alocke@responselabs.com said:
Ivan,

Try updating the file names to include only one "."

For example: "filename.jpeg" instead of "file.name.jpeg"

That additional "." may be causing an issue.

Andy

Hi Andy, I actually had tried that. The image I tried to attach to my reply to you was called "Porch.jpeg." I just renamed it to "Side.jpeg" and tried to send it. The one I called "Close-up.jpeg" seemed to go through.

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 17:02:03.693536

I'm posting via the website (I don't get any emails from here). I can't figure out why some go through and others don't.

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 17:14:30.319653

Oldpic.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 17:15:21.381711

IMG_3430.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 17:28:21.607615

Thanks, Eric. Is there any possible fix (short of deconstructing the whole metal roof)? Perhaps applying some sort of sealant?

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 20:48:38.726035

By the way, even during the heaviest of rain storms, that part of the porch remains dry. Does that affect your analysis? And does that type of roofing have a particular name?

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 20:55:20.468358

This is a picture of the roof taken from a window above it. Obviously, one can’t see the metal roof at all from this vantage point, let alone where it is attached to the house. So it seems I have 3 choices: (1) do nothing and treat the porch as it were an open air, no roof deck; (2) remove all of the wood on top of the metal and proceed from there (paying particular attention to where the porch meets the house); or (3) remove only the wood above where the leaks actually are and inspect it there for possible problems. In options 2 or 3, would something as simple as sealant ever be a solution or is that just wishful thinking?

TopPorchRoof.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 21:21:47.964100

The window is operable and I just hung outside of it again, but you really can't see anything.

TopPorchRoof01.jpeg

TopPorchRoof02.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 21:54:08.058886

Not sure if you got my reply, Eric because I tried to upload pictures again. They may be too heavy. The window is operable, but it is difficult to see anything from the pics I took.

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 22:06:46.208245

TopPorchRoof01.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 22:07:08.222053

TopPorchRoof02.jpeg

Ivan Giacoman
2018-07-02 22:07:39.531114